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07/06/16 at 2:48 PM CDT

 

 

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<p>OT - networking</p> <p>Seems to me that, with some exceptions (Goldman's upgrade of NOK, Jeffries bullish on INFN, etc.) the analyst community, and the market, is pretty bearish on the sector.  </p> <p>When I look at other sector names that we've not discussed - they also seem to be largely bumping around bottoms of 52 week lows. Juniper for instance, that also just got a downgrade from buy to hold.</p> <p>The bandwitdth-must-grow thesis is still intact I think. I've not heard the rationale for negative outlooks. The only thing I can figure is that given that global growth is slowing, and that's a fact (Jester has pointed out that not only do US gdp projections shrink as we get closer to them across time, so do international outlooks), the assumption might be that bandwidth demand will be a longer, more drawn out process than anticipated. I can't really see another rationale.</p> <p>Brexit of course adds to the worries. And if Trump were elected (a very low probability event - unless Goldman left a McLaren in Hillary's driveway after her talk to them), I think the markets would be so volatile and negative on uncertainty that it'd be worse than Brexit.</p> <p>So the sector seems to be fragile at the moment. I was surprised to see NOK as low as $5.22 today, after my buy yesterday. It could get a lot rougher before it's over. And I'd expect go get some mileage long term, as NOK proves that the ALU acquisition is producing the synergies and savings promised.</p> <p> </p>

Speaking of bandwidth demand, Cisco is predicting an inflection point in 4K TV adoption, probably as soon as end year 2016.  I tend to agree given the declining prices.  TVs 50" and higher are reaching very attractive price points.. Once this happens, Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime will increase their 4K content offerings, thus driving up bandwidth demand

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07/06/16 at 4:09 PM CDT

lt cap,

I agree quite completely. Two model years ago, I dropped 3k on a Samsung top of the line 55" 4k tv. It still melts my eyeballs, esp. given the fact the it upscales feeds of lower resolution, and serves as a terrific gaming monitor. But what you can buy now for a great deal less is pretty stunning.  Even if you dig into the specs and find some deficiencies, most eyeballs won't really know the difference. I agree we are pretty close to a cusp in the change of TV resolutions that most viewers will adopt. Netflix, Amazon, and other content providers are already making the transition of making 4k content available, and I can't see that trend doing much of anything but gaining momentum. One metric to watch is that 4k disc players seem to be around $350 - $400. (There are no 4k DVD-like discs that I'm aware of. What?) I recall that the first DVD players were about $400. They're so inexpensive now, they're almost disposable. The quicker we get there, the less our optical networking stocks will suffer :-)


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07/06/16 at 10:51 PM CDT

I bought a Samsung 65" 4K TV this past Holidays for $2100. It is truly a beautiful picture.  I am watching Orphan Black in UHD (4K) via Amazon Prime, which BTW does not charge extra like Netflix does :-(


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07/07/16 at 6:18 AM CDT

Me too. I got the Samsung 65" that retails for $3500, goes on sale at Best Buy for ~$2600, but bought a refurb for $1800. I love it. We remodled and have our upstairs set up with a bunch of recliners and have family movie nights all the time now. The kids never stop watching netflix. Just this summer my HS daughter watched Friends, How I met Your Mother, and is now on New Girl. Busy summer for her. Don't worry, I give her daily chores to make sure she did something!


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07/07/16 at 10:04 AM CDT

Americans love Smart TVs, the price points for 50" and 55" are already sub $1000, I believe that is the sweet spot where the average American is willing to shell out the money.  Should be lower for the Holidays and post Holidays deals. 


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