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11/02/16 at 2:36 PM CDT

 

 

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OT - Discouraging to see the networkers continue to get beaten down, and then more so when the DOW or NASDAQ isn't positive. Much more of this and they'll pay you to own their stock.

I had a complete rant to post about Hilary, as a distraction from the market vomiting our money down the toilet day after day, but I'll spare you all. Short version: True to form, when the polls suggested Trump might be picking up support, she immediately forgot about her pledge to make the rest of the campaign a 'positive one', and did her Nixon impression of being paranoid and mean spirited, saying Trump was the 'bogeyman' that will nuka ya as soon as he gets his hands on the nuclear-codes football. I believe it's a Democrat plot to get out the vote through scare tactics. Yes, Trump is a damaged, dangerous personality. And Hilary is Satan in a pants suit, I believe, lol.   Jester - no worries mate. Hilary still wins. This ain't 'Brexit.' I promise. The Brits always had disdain and ambivalence about the continent, no? 

 

I was aghast today, and that's not a word I use, ever, but it's apropros. There was an ABC poll out saying that people now find Trump to be more honest than Hillary. Trump, who was found to be lying 8 times as much as Hillary in the debates. Remember his huge thing about Mexico paying for the wall? The one thing he stood for? Now it's about sending them an invoice and they'll pay it later. Yes Jamok, I'm more concerned than ever about the Brexit repeat. I am sure there are people voting for him just because he's not a regular politician, regardless of whether he's actually capable. Sure, let's throw the country away, out of spite! Makes sense!


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11/02/16 at 4:32 PM CDT

Jester,

Okay. I'm not as certain as I was before, but I still would give 80% odds at the least that Hilary makes it before the west coast totals have finalized. So, let's see - if I bet you a pint of Guiness (yes, Irish, not Brit, I know), If I win, I get 1 pint. If you win, you get 4 pints, or, using the Finnish system of currency exchange and the tax on liquors and exports, you get 5 pints. But I'm also betting that by the time you've finished the 3rd pint, you'll be too trashed to remember what the deal was, so I won't need to layout for the 4th and 5th pints.

Okay, back to reality. Why does Clinton get more scrutiny. My own thought is that part of it is, she's so goddamn paranoid, including not being sure if she's totally reversing her 12th position change on a topic, she denies everything, and that just increases the distrust she gets. You lied about having pneumonia for chrissakes? What *won't* you lie about? Whereas Trump just repeats the lie over and over again, with some sliding around (well, a lot of sliding around) on exactly what he did say.  The fact that he rejects the whole political system, and all it's protocols (Inlcuding that politicians are supposed to tell the truth at least *some* of the time), is part of his appeal, perversely.

So the mystery is: Why is Hilary held to account most of the time, and Trump not?  I think perhaps you stated it in your post: 'let's throw the country away out of spite!' For people who feel marginalized, no power, no attention to their real needs, get their vote 'stolen' by (broken) promises, and play that game of '3 card Monte' every election year, yeah, they're probably, out of spite, saying, 'You live like a queen, while I live like a beggar. Here - let's 'equalize' the process and then you'll *really* know how I feel, rather than just mouthing the words'

I don't want to 'get Biblical' on you, lol, but I'd just say that, as part of what's going on, is that the 'Sampson complex' is becoming popular again after all these centuries, as far as a lot of voters go.

So, to revise my 'Trump' thesis: Part Sampson, part that he's been treated like the buffoon that he is - so few people expect him to be honest, and lastly, unfortunately, he's become the 'vehicle' by which disempowered people vent their rage at being ignored. I'd much rather it be done by someone more 'savory' figure that wasn't a politician - Jesse Ventura - wrestler turned gov of Minnesota. Ah-nuld/California. Even Dylan, as long as he's already picked up his Nobel (or refused it, figuring that giving it to Obama for nothing cheapens it :-) But in some semi-mysterious way, Trump may well represent the 'perverse' ugly 'underbelly' of American society and politics. Did we create this guy, or.............?

And lastly, when Hilary wins, I'm incredibly curious to see if any of the pols learn a lesson from all this. Or whether we have to repeat it. I think the democrats probably will treat Hilary's win as a mandate. Well, at least she will. The Republicans have the chance to rebuild the party, because they're going to *have* to bring it into the modern age, or watch it vaporize and fall apart. And that's going to be a tough task, given they need to unite right wing yahoos with LGBT pride. I doubt they can pull it off. And I've not voted Republican in my life. But when I watch David Brooks of the NY times on NPR news, or read his articles in the Times - intelligent, kind, thoughtful, almost amazing - if the Republicans listened to him, they might get a clue. But Republicans don't generally subscribe to the socialist Times, so it's a problem.

 


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Jam ok

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11/02/16 at 5:44 PM CDT

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