OT - Obviously I don't 'get
it'
<p>OT - At what point does this market become 'toppy'?
What has changed since election day? That we've got a vainglorious
psychopath with no experience being president? That he's appointing
his billionaire friends and/or people with no experience into his
cabinet? That his policies will include pushing coal as fuel, and
you can expect that a shoreline is coming to a house near you? That
the inexorable trend, despite 'showcasing' how to leverage
companies into staying in America, will be that automation will
create a class of 'owners' of production who are super-rich, and a
class of 'unemployable' that is super-poor, unless the rich
understand the implications of not 'spreading the wealth around'?
(Don't hold your breath.) </p> <p>Perhaps this
'momentum' won't be readily apparent in our lifetimes. But if you
have kids, pretty much any job will likely be able to be
virtualized by algorythms. </p> <p>When
Trump first announced his intention to save $4 bln by replacing the
next Air Force One with his own plane, it sounded like it might be
a good idea. Then I thought about, if America was under attack, not
having a plane that was 'hardened' against weaponry/electromagnetic
pulse/would not able to communicate with ground forces, and most of
all, almost assured that the inhabitants of that plane would be
surely destroyed......it started to sound like an even better idea
:)</p>
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Only the "good" stuff is bought: that Trump isn't as bad as
feared, and that his anti-GOP spending plans will all go ahead,
possibly leading to more QE to pay for it. The "bad" stuff is
ignored: that he's in way over his head as shown most recently with
the Taiwan debacle, that his cabinet isn crony capitalism and
conspiracy theorists, and inexperienced for the job, etc.
It's good to be king, right? Did you hear that all those
billionaires in his cabinet get to sell their assets tax free, to
ensure they are conflict-free for the job. How convenient! At some
point in the future they would have paid taxes on that, either when
sold or via estate tax, and now it's all tax free for them. Don't
get me started on Trump's conflicts of interest being blatantly
shown with multiple countries recently, including Ivanka jumping in
on a call between the Argentine leader and Trump, and guess what,
the Trump resort in Beunos Aires is suddenly no longer mired in red
tape!
That was some deal for Carrier. Before, there were 1K jobs and
no tax credits. After, there are 1K jobs with $7M tax credits,
which will pay for nearly half the $16M they plan to spend to
increase automation to reduce jobs later. Brilliant! When Sarah
Palin is talking sense against something, you know it's bad.
2.65M votes ahead and still loses. I don't get it. I've seen
this electoral college explained and it still makes no sense.
Something about giving more weight to lower population areas? But
isn't that the same as giving less weight to votes in denser
population areas? Aren't all votes supposed to be equal? And on a
State level, someone in rural NY or CA or IL sees their vote
ignored by those "big city folk" dictacting where all of the
State's electoral votes go, which is the same thing they want to
avoid on the national level. Also those electoral votes can be sent
wherever by some "faithless elector", whoever the hell that is,
just deciding to do what he wants. Bizarre.
Idiocracy in action.
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12/08/16 at 9:46 AM CST
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Jester,
All too true. Nailed, I'm afraid. I think some of the 'positive'
light Trump is being cast in seems to be the result that everyone
is sucking up to him, because, well, as you said - he's King. Lot
of important people being called into the royal court at Trump
tower, and acting humble, wishing to share the crumbs of that
power, and everyone who called him a scumbag now think he's a
skilled and benign figure. No ones talking about his 'shoot from
the hip' erractic style, because he hasn't started a nuclear war
with Iran - yet.
Enough of that. The electoral college system was set up by the
founding fathers - some of the richest men in America, all large
landholders (including farmland), and one can make the argument (as
James Beard did in the 1920's, to a lot of hell for telling a
different story than George Washinton chopping down a cherry tree,
got confronted about it, and said famously, "I cannot tell a lie")
copping to the 'crime'. One can see them as the 'owners of
production' of their time. And their fear was, that direct
elections might pose a challenge to this priviledged positions and
monetary interests. So, under the guise of having a 'safeguard'
against a population that might make 'unwise' decisions, the vote
of each state generated members of the 'electoral college', that
could overturn an 'unwise' decision by the people, if such
circumstances came to pass. (Well, that sure didn't work in Trump's
case - but at first there were some futile public pleas for
electoral college members to not vote for Trump. And Jill Stein's
'recount' demands have everything to do with changing who gets to
vote in the electoral college.)
So, what was designed as a way to protect the voting public from
making bad decisions, really has a least one other agenda of not
rocking the boat for the rich. At least that's what I remember from
my American History class in high school. And yes, for whatever
reason, the votes of states with higher populations got more
electoral college votes. (The density of local populations leading
to some 400+ members of the House of Representatives, I suppose as
a way to somewhat 'balance' against the fact that each state
gets two Senators, regardless of population. (not to mention that
the South kept its slave practices in effect - by counting each
black slave as representing 3/5th of a vote - enough to vanquish
abolitionist demands.)
A long-winded way to say you're absolutely right - the electoral
college is outdated and sucks. One person, one vote. Should be
simple, right? Your system of a parlimentary political power is
much closer to that. Perhaps we ought to notfiy England that we've
changed our minds - we'd like to apply to be their colony
again.
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12/08/16 at 2:42 PM CST
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It will be quite a ride with Trump, I tend to agree with you,
but for the sake of this country I hope it goes well. This
rally is truly for the 10%, but I am sure the 1% is taking the lion
share of it. the 1% should be feeling so good!!!
Back to Trump: How do you like the fact that he has chosen
a Fast Food Exec for the Labor Department? One of the lowest
paying industries in the USA? I believe he has opposed
raising the minimum wage.
Wonder how those blue collar workers that voted for Trump view
this ironic appointment? He sure BSed his way through the
campaign and now he is changing his tune on many issues, but that
should upset some of his base??
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12/08/16 at 5:34 PM CST
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lt cap,
I really don't know what quite to make of such cabinet choices
myself. He's certainly not only reneged on some of the more extreme
campaign promises - jailing HIlary, building a wall with Mexico,
repealing Obamacare on Day 1, etc.
And yes, he's appointing fat cats for cabinet posts based on
they were 'successful businessmen' and he 'admires success.'
I'd guess that means that he doesn't want anything to do with
Appalachian 'losers' with 'Hillbilly teeth." A status quo policy? -
You didn't have a job and health insurance then, and you don't have
it now, either. You're lucky things aren't getting worse 'believe
me.'
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12/11/16 at 12:41 AM CST
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Jamok,
The Trump administration promises to bring us the most
unorthodox administration this country has ever seen.
He is a lose cannon, the mdeia will have tons of material to
deal with.
Yesterday I heard that the CIA had determined that the Rusians
had interfered with the election to favor him. But the report
lacked specifics. Was it through fake news on social media
sites? Has anyone read or heard more on this subject?
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12/11/16 at 6:31 AM CST
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lt cap,
In terms of actual reality, the most useful posts are the ones
you're spelling out about NOK insider buying. If we have another
'downdraft' (not attributable to starting a nuclear war ;-) ) I
will need to consider buying some at those/these prices.
On Russia conducting cyber-interference: I am partly bemused by
the huge outpourings of 'outrage' (every news source I turn to
today has people turning purple yelling about it), and partly
disgusted by hypocrisy and political manner this is being used by
people who not only ought to, but I believe do, know better.
Let us suppose the Russians are guilty of doing the worst of the
accusations. Do people not think about that we are doing the same
to other countries, and even our own allies? Did our and the
Israelis' dropping the stuxnet 'bomb' on Iran that destroyed their
nuclear centrifuges not be an act of cyber-sabotage? (And that the
only one we *found out* about - how many things never reach the
public eye - such as our spying on/hacking into phones/monitoring
conversations by our *friends*, such as the recording of Germany's
Merkel and other European allies' phone calls revealed by Snowden
about the NSA?)
And so we are shocked! shocked!, and outraged! outraged!
by such Russian meddling which must be punished. What??? And
the really disgusting BS is that there are people who know better:
The Senate oversight Intelligence Commitee surely has for years
gotten briefed (or I sure hope so) on what we're doing in terms of
cyber warfare, and what we plan to do going forward. I find it
beyond belief that legislators like McCain never heard of such a
thing, and now is howling for blood. And to top it off, the White
House just made an anouncement of the evidence it has of Russian
hacking, delivered by the CIA. Are you kidding me? Is even the
President not briefed on what cyber-operations we are
perpetrating that probably makes the Russian interference seem
puny? Was Snowden more than right when suggesting that the
intelligence community is so 'rogue' as to operate on its own,
informing nobody of what they're doing? I find that hard to
believe.
What I don't find hard to believe is that, slim as the chances
may be of success, that the uproar over this presents the last,
desperate political agenda of finding a way to de-legitimatize (is
that a word?) the election of Trump, and do a 'do-over' election,
presumably for 'reasons of health' dumping Hilary for Peewee
Herman, as almost anybody but Hilary could defeat Trump in a
cakewalk. Trump is as much a danger to the Republicans as he is to
the Democrats. They both have interests in him going back to the
Apprentice show. I doubt it'll work, regadless of how 'whipped up'
the public becomes. But it's a shot.
Some of the anti-Trump almost universal chorus of the media
might be seen in 'today's tweet': He's being whipped for
questioning the cost of the F-35 plane made by Lockheed Martin. The
facts are that 1. It ran waaaaay over the original budget and 2. It
became an 'all-purpose' airplane - it could fill the roles of
fighter/bomber/escort/etc. jet, and the fact is that being so
broad-based, it does none of them particularly well, and not as
well as new Russian jets that are much more focused in their roles.
So regardless of what he says, he's treated like an ignorant liar.
Which, in fact, he may be. And as President, he's downright scary.
But discovering a plot by the Albanians to get their ancient
dial-up phone network updated, so they could make 'prank calls' to
American phone numbers really deserves looking into.
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12/12/16 at 4:37 PM CST
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It's getting surreal. I had to laugh at this story with Deutsche
Bank giving their expected market reaction to the Fed statement,
and every scenario for equities is "Higher".
zerohedge.com/ne...e-hike
I see useless Rick Perry is now going to be in charge of the
Dept of Energy, that same department he wanted to get rid of. This
furthers Trump's pattern of putting opposite people in charge,
which SNL called before this news about Perry.
youtube.com/wa...bu7GBE
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12/13/16 at 10:35 AM CST
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Jester,
We both know up close what Perry is like - an intellectual light
weight whose policy as governor was to give the go-go-go to any and
all oil production. As you say so correctly, this is surreal. Quite
like when Enron was writing energy policy for....I forget which
president - before scandal and fraud against shareholders drove
them out of business. But there is some organization - wish I could
remember the name - that almost all Republicans support and very
few Democrats - some kind of 'partnership' - which boils down to
Republicans meeting with industry leaders who tell them what laws
they want to pass, and the Republicans do it, under the aegis of
promoting businesses and jobs. And of course these Republicans get
campaign $$ in return. Might've seen it on a PBS 'Frontline'
documentary or something like that. Surreal that Trump is doing
that with no 'camoflage'. Surreal that he's appointing people who
during the campaign called him a dangerous jackass. So now
he's.....a felicitious jackass? In an earlier, simpler era of
American history, the popular slogan was, "What's good for GM, is
good for America." So there we are.
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12/13/16 at 12:50 PM CST
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In an earlier, simpler era of American history,
the popular slogan was, "What's good for GM, is good for America."
So there we are.
Replace GM with "Trump Resorts and Putin".
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